Some people asked for the video with the Turkish Cypriot speaking,
I am sure the video Mrs. Fanoula Argyrou listened to the entire
interview translated and we will show you the video, our colleague Fanoula
Argyrou from Lodino watched the entire interview and identified
some new facts. We have Mrs.
Argyriou with us on the phone line. Mr. Argyrou, good day. Good morning to you. Well, tell us exactly
what the Turkish Cypriot says in his interview.
Why doesn't he say E in the first place he started to say that the interview was the
interview was in her house in his mother's village the gena. His mother's
name was Malie and his father came from Vatli. Well, he began
the interview by proudly emphasizing that before he died. His desire is
to see Cyprus, which belongs to the Turks and was left to them from the time of the
Ottomans, become Turkish so that the Turks can live in it. I am
a nationalist and that means I am a man who loves his country
and helps his people and if God takes my soul to take it in the
military uniform. I served a lot in the army, he said.
Well, by the way, well, he said that he was born in the village of Yai in occupied Nicosia
in 1934 and the journalist interrupted him to
tell him in the adjacent areas such as Agios Loukas. And
he says where were the Greeks and then the Turkish Cypriot laughed and said
well let's say Greeks well what else would you call them the journalist asked in
kaourides I would call them what else and the journalist asks again but why do you with
such hostility and fury insist on calling them yaourides I saw a lot of bad things
he says you can't be friends with them I worked with
them a lot but your best friend you cheat on the leg. Was his answer.
Well, then he said that in his younger life he was a bad boy, eccentric in the neighborhood.
Every night he waited for his father to return knowing that he would eat
wood. Because not a day went by that he didn't bully the kids in the neighborhood or break
the electric light bulb. Well, since then I have had this disease, he said and
the 24-year-old 84-year-old journalist answers him, you are and you continue. God forbid,
he told him. Well, then he said that he said things about
his childhood and so on. Oh, and he says that in elementary school he had pulled a knife
on his teacher. He always carried a knife. To this day he is armed with
a knife. Well, they went to his mother's village in the second world war,
but he couldn't work there as a carpenter who was his father. and
he returned to Nicosia and got a job at Koutsosera. Here it is not
specified whether he is a Greek Cypriot or a Turk with a nickname. And
now we go to the second part of the interview which is most of
what he said. And the interview begins. I ask him the journalist. We are
in Nicosia in 1955. The EEC started. How did you get started and answers. We
started before 1955. I was saying Volkan, but we are
Tupal Mahmud's team. We are close to Kuchuk and Tehtaz. Who was
the Why does the journalist ask you and he answers opal Mahmut. Oh no,
sorry. Who, who, who was the overachiever and he answers him. Ismail
Satsikoglou was our leader and above him Murhat Plastitoglou.
Apart from that there was no other. We became a team, we all knew each other and
our leader was Sastikoglou. Our headquarters was where there used to be
a hospital in Nicosia and our job was to go around Cyprus and wherever
there was aggression or anything against Turks we would either take it or
shoot it. The things that you hear were happening at that time, we did them.
Therefore, here we also have testimony about his action during the period of the
national liberation struggle. Yes, yes. And the journalist still says,
many years have passed, these things must be said and he answers. We shouldn't
talk about these things. Of course, for example, he says, the information came
that a man insulted the coffee shop owner of his village. But we
immediately knew in which village, in which cafe he was sitting. We would go and sit on either
side of his own seat and burden him. Information
was coming to us from everywhere. In every village we had our man, but us
information was also coming from above. He says we had five guns and they were bringing us
bullets either from the police, or from here, or from there. We secured them.
There were 15 of us, but all 15 of us had boxes. We did it for Turkism.
He said and he also said that they were already spreading leaflets like OKA had a
car that they had arranged to run and drop leaflets from underneath.
And he also said that when we killed someone in a village our man
there kept our gun and then we would either go the next day and get it
or he would bring it to us. And the journalist asks, "Well, how did you feel when
you killed a person, this is an easy thing" and he answers very easy,
there is no more pleasant thing. Journalist, "But to kill
one person, I mean how does that happen" and replies, "But he's trying to
kill us all." That is, says the journalist, "Murders of Greeks,
murders of Turks and Turkut answers. It doesn't matter, it doesn't make
a difference. That's how we were. I mean, when someone was killed afterwards, says the
journalist and he answers, we had fun afterwards, we enjoyed it and
when we weren't killing, we beat each other. Journalist. However,
this seems very strange to me. So much calm about murders without No fear,
my son. We used to
go to punish someone. In Karpasi
, we had the rich man, Husein
Fendi, and he
said, 'Who should
be punished? This is the
journalist.' He played a Turk. The next day
we went out on the streets. It didn't matter if he arrived or not
. It didn't matter
if he was from the same country.
The Turkish Cypriot
also added that they had two women who helped them. We were
hospitals and with the coverage of their profession they carried weapons.
And I ask a journalist. I was told that you were making bombs. Churkut another
of them working at the Town Hall told me that 12 to 13 bombs
to the Greeks threw them, meaning Genagritis. Turkish. Of course.
Indeed. We made the bombs. Will I also ask something and not misunderstandings.
The journalist tells him. Then you pushed drugs and responds to him. Then
there were no drugs. It was a cannabis and they were in the way. Not everyone is saying he says. I in
my life never or anymore, but I was never suggested to drink. And the
journalist passes TMT. These are, of course, before TMT was created. When the
TMT was created what was going on who used to say you were orchestrated you answered. After the establishment of
TMT, we didn't even
know each other. With the establishment of CMT, I went back to Nicosia
. And let me explain the case of the two
nurses, but on the way there were
wet soldiers We
used to put the gun in the nurse's chest
. And that's how the two girls
helped us. The Greeks
were the first to know about it
Wanted. I don't want to pass.
There
were no
Greeks, but
they were afraid of me and now they
answered about the
establishment of TM. Dr.
Kuchuk and Tekhtaz never instructed you not to do that.
No, they were happy, especially the doctor
, but his voice didn't come out, no
he told you and he answers. How should he say, my child, to a common man, if
he attacks a village, yours or anywhere, you will wave your hands
and do nothing. Such things do not exist in
Islam. If you look in the Koran
they are not there either. Journalist. Democracy was finally established
. You became wiser. Yorkakis, Papadopoulos became
ministers. What did you do Turkish Cypriot But we had hidden our weapons and that
's what 59 means. After the establishment of the republic we started
collecting weapons from Turkey which when they came we distributed them to the villages
and hid them. We buried them and none of our hiding places were revealed. We greased them
, put them in an alon and buried them. In every village we had a hiding place and
here in the village we had and I went and got them one day so they wouldn't be destroyed and
they killed the people again. journalist in 1963 you were a fellow
Turkish Cypriot for us and our group there was no
cooperation the shipment of armaments from Turkey continued but we also started
sending groups of for example 50-50 people to Turkey for
training. I also went in 1958 for training and we also gave 5 pounds to
each, especially if they were not wealthy enough to support their families. I went
twice and he continued and talked about their cooperation with her and said
in 1963 I understood what was going to happen and I took the
weapons out of the hiding places and the villages were ready. The villages you see that
we controlled were up to Agia Harita. This entire corridor was in
our hands. Journalist. It was easy to kill
and capture them. The Greeks didn't attack you then because that
's when the cannons were made. Let's say Turkey Day. We could not pass
a village further down. The roads were cut off. Grivas had
given an order against us. I saw the man who was passing in a car
because one of the United Nations had sewn a uniform for me and he was driving me around in
a car of the said nations and I was watching.
so much a friend that he wrote me a uniform and gave me his chauffeur. He was driving
ahead in his car and I was driving behind, watching me strut around in my UN uniform
and hat. But I every week sent them a lamb and
food to enjoy themselves. Until one night I brought
two women from Varosi to this house. Ask I asked for one they sent me two.
This is how you get by with yogurts. Then he recounted how one night a battle broke out in
the entire area. But we were also thieves, he said. We also stole the phones
of the British and the Yaurides and from the Muslims.
In other words, it is also said that you also arrested 60 Greeks. I ask him the journalist.
What 60 he answers. Information came to me that at some point during the night,
female soldiers were sneaking in to spy. I went there in the evening and
found from cigarettes and confirmed it. I rounded up 450 Greeks and
imprisoned them. I took three of these yogurts and sent them to
report what we had on hand. did they get there or was it saved, the
cleric came the techtas he was the leader of the UN troops
of the peacekeeping force and the others and they took them we left them then
he narrated how he secured electricity from the Republic of Cyprus with
the threat of blowing up the facilities
and I ask the journalist ok we arrived at 1900 74 what happened he answers
I gave the order to don't shoot and let's save our bullets if you are going
to hit someone then shoot for sure I told them when the
Turkish army came to the previous village they informed me to go there immediately and I went
that is the journalist the Greek The Greeks had left but yes of course
they had left by the time of Karpasia I went with them to show them the
way In Karpasi when we arrived what should I see
full of yars like Pomegranate prisoners what happiness I said big deal this
evening we will do a great job, journalist, that is, you would kill him
and he replies, of course, this is my job, my profession,
journalist, that is, most of them were not
killed by the Turkish soldiers, but by the Turks of Cyprus, and Genagritis replies, that's how it seems
half-laughing, and adds that a Mehmet went and told
his officer that I intended to clean them up. The Turkish
officer called me and said, "even if you take one step away from me, I will
beat you up, because I used to go back and do these jobs" he replied,
implying that he would kill all the Greeks. So I failed, it keeps
telling me to do nothing. That's why my heart burns. Glad you
didn't. Elande answers him and they are missing. Hey, journalist, but
it's easy to kill when the other person is looking into your eyes. How it's done
It's an easy task and it answers. He did to me, he does to me.
Do the same to the one who did it to you. The Turkish Cypriot answers him and says
where can I find him who did this to me. They are from the same breed of dog.
Journalist. We come to today. This country can be ruled. He questions him
and he answers. No, to rule the country you have to be
a good eunuch and love your country.
Yes, yes. And the interview closes with the
journalist asking him, saying, I see you have a lot of cats here. 15
answers him. That is, on the one hand you kill people and on the other so many cats.
Wherever you go you feed them. You look at any cat you find. This is not
an oxymoron and Gianagritis answers him. No it isn't. It is for the remission of sins.
And the interview ends with Gennagriti stating that when
his wife died his world ended. He was a man who had never in his life
made a bed and had never loved another woman but
she remarried. And at the end, perfectly, the journalist asks him to
tell him who he considered to be strong men who offered great
services, and the answer is first, once, second, Tekhtas, the one who opened our
eyes and who dedicated his life, and third, Ismet Otak,
this was the interview, in fact, Mrs. Fanoula Argyrou, we didn't
interrupt you at all because everything you discovered was shocking
and I hope we manage to include these as well. dialogues on
the video to exist as an em material. Be well.
Good morning. We will stay on the same topic. It has been
written. It has been said that the government will take over.
